Pakistan Role in Global Terrorism

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Bush warns Pakistan of ‘serious action’


LONDON: The United States has accused Pakistan’s main spy agency of deliberately undermining Nato efforts in Afghanistan by helping the Taliban and al-Qaeda militants they are supposed to be fighting, the Sunday Times reported.

President George W Bush confronted Yusuf Raza Gilani in Washington last week with evidence of involvement by the ISI in a deadly attack on the Afghan capital and warned of retaliation if it continues.

The move comes amid growing fears that Pakistanís tribal areas are turning into a global launch pad for terrorists. Gilani, on his first official US visit since being elected in February, was left in no doubt that the Bush administration had lost patience with the ISIís alleged double game. Bush warned that if one more attack in Afghanistan or elsewhere were traced back to Pakistan, he would have to take ìserious actionî.

Gilani also met Michael Hayden, director of the CIA, who confronted him with a dossier on ISI support for the Taliban. The key evidence concerned last monthís bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul, which killed 54 people, including the military attache.

An intercepted telephone conversation apparently revealed that ISI agents masterminded the operation. The United States also claimed to have arrested an ISI officer inside Afghanistan. Pakistani ministers said they had left Washington reeling from what they described as a ìgrillingî and shocked at ìthe trust deficitî between Pakistan and its most important backer.

ìThey were very hot on the ISI,î said a member of the Pakistan delegation. ìVery hot. When we asked them for more information, Bush laughed and said, ëWhen we share information with your guys, the bad guys always run awayí.î

ìThe question is why itís taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing,î said Afrasiab Khattak, provincial president for the Awami National party. ìWeíve been telling them for years but they wouldnít buy it.î

The American accusations were categorically denied by Rehman Malik, Pakistanís de facto interior minister. ìThere is no involvement by the ISI of any form in Afghanistan,î he told The Sunday Times. ìWe requested evidence which has not yet been given.î

Malik admitted that in meetings in London, senior British government and intelligence officials had also told him they were convinced of ISI involvement in the embassy bombing. It is the first time the White House has openly confronted Pakistan since just after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on Washington and New York when General Pervez Musharrafís regime was told to drop its support for the Taliban or be bombed back to the Stone Age.

Musharraf agreed and went on to change the director of the ISI and build a close relationship with Bush who described him as his ìbest friendî. But many middle-ranking officers continued to hold close links with militants built up over 20 years since the Mujahideen were fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.

There were persistent reports of Pakistani territory being used for terrorist training camps and recruitment. Foreign journalists were banned from Quetta ìfor our own securityî ñ those of us who have ventured there to investigate have generally ended up arrested.

President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan has repeatedly accused Pakistan of harbouring Taliban leaders, providing lists of addresses and at one time claiming that its leader, Mullah Omar, was living in a military cantonment.

For the West, confronting Islamabad is a risky strategy as Pakistanís support is critical to the war on terrorism. Afghanistan is landlocked and much of the logistical support and food for the 53,000 Nato troops, including water for the British forces in Helmand, has to be shipped into Karachi and driven through Pakistan.

ìItís a calculated risk,î said a western diplomat in Islamabad, pointing out that Pakistan could not afford to do without US aid, which averages £1 billion a year. The military has also benefited: only last week four more F-16 fighter jets were handed over to the air force.

An open challenge to the ISI was welcomed by Nato troops operating in Afghanistan, particularly the American forces fighting in the east. For years their commanders have expressed frustration at militants coming across the border to take pot shots at them, before moving back to the sanctuary of the tribal areas. These areas are seen as the new battleground in the war on terror. Originally created by the British as a buffer between the Indian empire and Afghanistan, they stretch along Pakistanís 1,500-mile border with Afghanistan.

As the poorest and most backward part of Pakistan with a literacy rate of just 3%, but fiercely martial, they are the breeding ground for militant groups. Political parties are not allowed. As militant groups have grown in influence, local people have nowhere else to turn.

Most of the attacks on US soldiers in eastern Afghanistan are ordered by Maulvi Jalalud-din Haqqani, who operates from Miramshah in North Waziristan, and whom the United States believes to have close ties with al-Qaeda.

Neighbouring South Waziristan is dominated by Baitullah Mehsud, a former gym teacher, whose Pakistan Taliban is believed by the CIA to be responsible for the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, the former prime minister, last December.

ìThe security of Pakistan, Afghanistan, the entire region and maybe that of the whole world will be determined by developments in the tribal areas over the next few months,î said Khattak.

The United States has carried out a number of bombings and missile strikes inside the areas, although each time the key targets seem to have escaped. So concerned is the Bush administration that the ISI is tipping militants off that in January it sent two senior intelligence officials to Pakistan. Mike Mc-Connell, the director of national intelligence, and Hayden asked Musharraf to allow the CIA greater freedom to operate in the tribal areas.

Of particular US concern was the ISIís alleged involvement with Haqqani, one of its former allies, and its links to Lashkar-i-Taiba, a Punjab-based militant group, which is thought to have been behind the attack on an American outpost in Kunar last month in which nine US soldiers were killed.

Many US intelligence officials have long suspected that ISI officers accept their money and then help their foes, but it has been difficult to find proof. In June the Afghan government publicly accused the ISI of being behind an assassination attempt on Karzai in April and threatened to send their own troops into the border. But they were unable to produce any concrete evidence.

ìThe Indian embassy bombing seems to have finally provided it. This is the smoking gun weíve all been looking for,î a British official said last week. On the eve of the Washington visit, the Pakistan government tried to tame the ISI by announcing that it would henceforth come under interior ministry control. It was forced to revoke the decision within three hours after angry phone calls from the Army chief.

Malik, on behalf of the government, claimed the decision had been misinterpreted. ìWhat we were trying to do was bring national security and the war on terror under the interior ministry but it was wrongly announced,î he said.

US officials say the number of attacks on their soldiers in Afghanistan have increased by 60% since the civilian government took power this year. In a reflection of who really calls the shots, while the government party was in Washington Lieutenant-General Martin Dempsey, acting commander of Centcom, the US military command, was in Islamabad handing over F-16 fighter planes and holding meetings with the top brass. A British officer who was present at the meeting said Pakistani generals had spoken of their frustration with the civilian government: ìThey said they were still waiting for a signal to act in the tribal areas. To be honest, none of us could think of a thing they had done in six months.î
The sensitivity of the intelligence issue became clear on Friday night when Sherry Rehman, the information minister, acknowledged to journalists that the ISI might still contain pro-Taliban operatives. ìWe need to identify these people and weed them out,î she said, only to change her statement later to maintain that the problems were in the past and there would be no purge.

Pakistan ministers were particularly incensed when the United States launched a missile strike inside one of the countryís tribal areas on Monday, while the government party was still en route to Washington. ìIt was the first thing I read on my BlackBerry when I got off the plane,î said a member of the delegation. ì What a nice gift.î
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Pakistan's spy agency supporting terrorism : Karzai

Kabul, Aug 10 - Afghan President Hamid Karzai repeated allegations Sunday that Pakistan's secret service was supporting the Taliban and their terrorist allies in fight against Afghan and international forces in his country, saying, 'it is not something new.'

Karzai, speaking at press conference at his fortified presidential palace here, accused Pakistan's intelligence agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence -, of providing support to Taliban and their Al Qaeda associates in the fighting in Afghanistan.

'The ISI involvement with terrorism is not something new,' the president said, referring to the agency's alleged hands in the July 7 bombing at the Indian embassy in Kabul that killed at least 54 people, including two Indian diplomats.

Officials from Indian government and the US authorities have also hinted that ISI had helped in the planning of the deadly attack, a claim Islamabad vehemently denies.

'Their - involvement may have been new for others,' the president said, adding that his government had shared its concerns regarding ISI's support for militants with international communities and countries in the region 'for a long time in the past.'

Karzai said Pakistani soldiers helped Taliban militants to reach power in 1996 and they still had plan to keep Afghanistan as their 'strategic depth' and install their 'puppet government'.

'We are ready to die for another 1,000 years, but we don't want slavery,' Karzai said, but stated that his government was ready to start a new round of talks with Pakistan.

'We want to live in peace and harmony with each other,' the president said, adding, 'It is not for the benefit of anyone to raise a snake, because it can turn anytime and bite its owner.'

The relations between the two US allies on the war against terrorism have been on downward spiral, with Afghan officials accusing Islamabad of not doing enough to stop cross-border infiltration by militants from inside Pakistan.

Officials from the US-led coalition and NATO forces that together have around 70,000 troops in the country have recently openly said that Taliban-led militants were given safe havens in tribal areas of Pakistan, where they receive training, equipment and ideological instruction.

In order to overcome the bloody insurgency in the war-torn Afghanistan, Karzai said he had always advised his international military allies to stop fighting the militants in Afghan villages and instead focus on 'source of terrorism.'

Pakistan so far has strongly rejected allowing international military troops in Afghanistan to cross over into Pakistani territory to pursue militants.

It says it has deployed around 100,000 troops on its border with Afghanistan to clamp down on insurgents operating in the area.
 
In my opinion, pakistan should be termed as a terrorist nation by the global organizations. If the natives of Pakistan want to have peace in their life then it is them who will have to fight against terror
 
All those monsters Pakistan created to bleed India has started to bite the hands that fed them for decades. They forgot, they cannot bleed an Elephant to death and India is an Elephant. Jai Hind!
 
All paki's are not terrorist

It is very easy to say that pakistani's are terrorist and Pakistan is a terrorist country. But why we forget that many Indians and hindus also live there.. It is not good to claim Pakistan a terrorist country but it is indeed the most terror prone nation world wide !
 
It is very easy to say that pakistani's are terrorist and Pakistan is a terrorist country. But why we forget that many Indians and hindus also live there.. It is not good to claim Pakistan a terrorist country but it is indeed the most terror prone nation world wide !

And why would you say that? Everybody else claims Pakistan to be the epi-center of terrorism.
 
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in reply2 "But why we forget that many Indians and hindus also live there.. It is not good to claim Pakistan a terrorist country but it is indeed the most terror prone nation world wide !"

By saying that one should not blame Pak for the ills(that it actually does very skillfully) just bcoz it 2 has Hindus there is 2 becoming of a sangh parivar idealogue. i dont agree there. But yes i wud agree that whole of pakistan cannot be blamed for wrongs done. Even though peace constituency is much more in numbers & spirit here in India than there in pak. Still it would be dullard to hate them in random.

My theory wud be instead to treat pak as just another neighb'r not paying more attention to it than it deserves. We are a big country. We must dedicate our precious time towards more productive issues!!

Jai Hind Jai Bharat!!
 
in reply2 "But why we forget that many Indians and hindus also live there..
During partition, Hindu Population in Pakistan was 15-20%, but now it has dropped to less than 2%.
Source: Hinduism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam is second-most practiced religion in the Republic of India after Hinduism, with more than 13.4% of the country's population (over 138 million as per 2001 census and 160.9 million per 2009 estimate) identifying themselves as Muslims.
India's Muslim population is the world's third largest and the world's largest Muslim-minority population.

Source: Islam in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam is India's largest minority religion, with Muslims officially constituting 13.4% of the country's population, or 138 million people as of the 2001 census. However, unofficial estimates claim a far higher figure supposedly discounted in censuses. For instance, in an interview with a well circulated newspaper of India The Hindu Justice K.M. Yusuf, a retired Judge from Calcutta High Court and Chairman of West Bengal Minority Commission, has said that the real percentage of Muslims in India is at least 20%
Source: Islam in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Btw, this is not a Hindu Vs Muslim Thread. So, please stick to the topic.
And about Hindus living in Pakistan - With due respect, they were given a chance in 1947 to migrate to India, they did not.

It is not good to claim Pakistan a terrorist country but it is indeed the most terror prone nation world wide !"
Yeah! Ever heard 'As you sow; so shall you reap'.
26/11 mastermind Hafeez Sayeed still roams free and just two days back held a massive rally in PoK.
Source: JuD active again, holds meet in PoK

The Pakistani Govt. is in no mood even to arrest that *****

By saying that one should not blame Pak for the ills(that it actually does very skillfully) just bcoz it 2 has Hindus there is 2 becoming of a sangh parivar idealogue. i dont agree there. But yes i wud agree that whole of pakistan cannot be blamed for wrongs done. Even though peace constituency is much more in numbers & spirit here in India than there in pak. Still it would be dullard to hate them in random.
No one hates them. I do not.
But please, come out of your sensible reasoning and highlight something more mature.
There is a Govt. in Pakistan, which breeds these Jihadi/Terrorist groups. Then there is ISI which is radicalizing people, right from the day they are born.

I do not support Shiv Sena or MNS. India is a secular country and I very strongly believe organizations like them should be banned. Btw, Shiv Sena or MNS gives hate speeches, but they do not send Hindu Fanatics on to the streets of Lahore with Ak-47's to kill innocent people. Got my point?

My theory wud be instead to treat pak as just another neighb'r not paying more attention to it than it deserves. We are a big country. We must dedicate our precious time towards more productive issues!!

Jai Hind Jai Bharat!!
Who the hell cares about Pakistan? Damn with it!
 
Pakistan alone is not responsible for global terrorism but it has indeed paved a way to the great extent in earning the bad name for its own country in terrorism.. Pakistan is considered as one of the biggest country who is supporting and encouraging terrorism on the name of Jihad..
 
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well, in my opinion, a few bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Pakistan as the nation cannot be blamed for terrorism, as we cannot ignore the fact that like in Pakistan, India too has some anti-government bodies that work tooth and nail to hamper the national integrity, peace and harmony. although, it is also true that Indian government has been taking ample measures to get the nation free from anti-social activities, unlike pakistan.
 
Well Pakistan has earned itself a name of terror nation as it is believed to harbor terror groups. Some people of Pakistan are of the view to perpetrate terror in the name of religion but not all are the like. So the good ones should get together and take some collective action against such radical minds.
 
well, i feel that condemning a nation is easier than taking adequate safety measures for a nation to survive peacefully.

i dont say Pakistan is a co-operative nation in any way, but i feel the county isnt capable enough to handle such anti-social groups that have inculcated in the country.

if global leaders stand up and help the government of Pakistan in dealing with such terrorist acts and anti-social activities grooming in their country, it will help the world more than expected.

right now, they are not left with many options, than to support what's going on!
 
in my view we should not condemn whole of pakistan for such anti social elements. not all the pakistanis are responsible for this. but yes the people of pakistan are unable to control those radical minds who are causing terror all over the world. killing innocent people is no ways a human act, following religion is too far to talk about. i think all the pakistanis should get together and try to change their mindsets by various means. education could be one big factor atleast for the new generations
 
What is the heart of Pakistan or India.Its not the politicians or military. its the common people. If you go and ask these common people about enemity between two nations, they would tell us to be in love and peace. they dont need war. Its just the politicians and military who have taken Pakistan to an era six decades back.
On the other hand our politicians have polarised the county. Freedoom fighters had dreamt of a socialist country. But now we see that at one end economy boasts of its robust growth. but poor are still getting poorer..its time that we realise that initiatives by govt are not goiong to work. we need to take things in our hands..by taking some good initiatives.
if education is becoming costly--.> lets vow to educate the poor freely...either by teaching them or sponsoring them
if politicians are corrupt--> lets vow to vote for the good ones among the lot.. and also involve more people in election...
every problem has a solution.... if we find it!!

-Vande Mataram
 
The role of Pakistan is indeed the most important in global terrorism. This is the country that gives birth to many children that involves them in the training and the word called Jihad. On the name of the Jihad means fight for freedom is nothing but a move towards terrorism. It is actually playing a great role in world terrorism.
 
with the recent incident it has become evident that pakistan was harboring the worlds deadliest terrorist in its premises. it was astounding to find out that osama lived very near to pakistani army's base. it is clear that pakistan is supporting and purporting the terror agencies in its nation.
 
Pakistan has a big role to play in Global terrorism because it is the main source from where the radical minds are manufactured. Most of the international terrorists are from pakistan and this is an undeniable fact though pakistan denies it. In my view all the nations worldwide should join hands together and fight back on this issue by taking a strong stand against global terrorism.
 
Pakistan is known as the terrorists country and it has nowadays become a synonym of terrorism. It has bee said and heard that Pakistani send their children to the school of terrorism and give education based on Jihad. Pakistan plays an important and the role of a head in global terrorism as all the terrorist activities starts from here and ends on the Muslim terrorists belongs to Pakistan.
 
When it comes to global terrorism, we can find most of the terrorists hail from pakistan. It has become evident that pakistan is harboring huge number of terror groups but it keeps denying these allegations despite the proof made available to them. I think all the countries should come together and join hands in tackling pakistan and the terror groups in its premises.
 
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